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l)l2UNl( · Nov 05, 2006, 10:29 PM // 22:29

So im getting new MoBo for christmas since my old one was TOTALLY outdated (100mhz FSB just so you know...) and i figured that i would stick with ASUS since they are the best. heres what i got

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131540

dont worry bout he rest of the comp ill be building around the MoBo

Lurid · Nov 06, 2006, 12:26 AM // 00:26

ASUS isn't the best, in reality there is no "best" its all relative to application, budget, etc... If your sticking with s939, a BioStar TForce6100 would get my vote, that or a DFI nF4 UT Ultra-D.

Tachyon · Nov 06, 2006, 05:31 AM // 05:31

That A8N-SLi Premium is a damn fine motherboard! I'm running the exact same board at the moment and it's by far the most stable board I've ever used.

I can safely say that if you want to stick with ASUS then that's a great choice. Although if you're thinking of getting a new CPU too then go for the AM2 boards and a compatible CPU.

l)l2UNl( · Nov 08, 2006, 12:40 AM // 00:40

also i am considering http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813123246
and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131013

keep in mind that $150 is my price limit although there is little need to go over $150 for a decent MoBo

Lurid · Nov 08, 2006, 01:51 AM // 01:51

The second board is AM2.

if you have the cash to change over to DDR2, then a Conroe system is much better dollar for dollar.

l)l2UNl( · Nov 08, 2006, 02:22 AM // 02:22

yes i might as well go with AM2 and since im basically building a new sys. i will be updating the processor but my problem is hte memory...

its so goddamn expensive $200 for around 2GB...

video card im thinking about a XFX Geforce 6800xt
ill be getting mobo and hopefully processor during thanksgiving and the memory and video card by christmas

-EDIT-
oops not SLI supported ill go with a eVGA geforce 7900GS then

Lurid · Nov 08, 2006, 03:03 AM // 03:03

Intel Core Duo 2 > AM2

Something along the lines of:

Intel Core Duo 2 E6300
Gigabyte DS3

An especially good deal if you overclock.

l)l2UNl( · Nov 08, 2006, 04:57 AM // 04:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lurid

Intel Core Duo 2 > AM2

Something along the lines of:

Intel Core Duo 2 E6300
Gigabyte DS3

An especially good deal if you overclock.

but i like AMD cause its a bit cheaper and gets the job done

Mushroom · Nov 08, 2006, 03:20 PM // 15:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by l)l2UNl(

but i like AMD cause its a bit cheaper and gets the job done

That is pretty much true. And dollar for dollar, the same money spent on AMD when compared to an E6300 is a good move. The E6300 is really the "Celeron" of the Core 2 line. It's largest bragging right is that it is the "Fastest 3 GHz CPU ever". Well, who cares about having a 3 GHz CPU anymore? It runs pretty even with an Athlon 3200, and anything else it falls behind.

And the AM2 platform is the one I would reccomend also over the 939. But remember, you do not have to get 2 GB right now. Get 1 GB, then in 3-4 months then the price drops (it always does after a new version of Windows), then you get another gig.

And I would hold off on SLI, or a card like the 7900. Get a budget card for the moment, something no more then around $120. For the SLI, wait until February or so. By then the next generation will be out, and the prices will all have fallen.

When buying components, it is always a trade-off between the best out now, and the best comming out. Because the next gen is comming out so soon, I reccomend buying budget for the moment, and waiting a few months when it comes to video cards. And even "budget" is not all that bad. A little over a year and a half ago, the X1300 was "top of the line". You can pick those up now for just over $100. And even if you go for the 7900GS, the price will probably be 25% less once the next gen does come out.

Lurid · Nov 08, 2006, 09:21 PM // 21:21

Mushroom, i'm going to assume you made the above post while under the influence of your name-sake.

An A64 3200+ is obliterated by the Intel Core Duo 2 E6300, in reality you can't really compare the two, especially when your looking at a single core vs a dual core.

Its not 3Ghz, the E6300 runs at 1.86Ghz. Clock speed does not matter nearly as much as clock for clock efficiency. Your logic is horrible, the E6300 is NOWHERE near a Celeron, under any circumstances. The only differences in Core Duos being the stock clocks, multipliers and on the E6600 and up the L2 cache sizes. Cache differences making a 6% difference, and the stock clock meaningless when applying a basic level of hardware knowlage, and overclocking skill. Even when running stock the E6300 completely stomps any AMD single core, or stock dual core under the FX-62 IIRC.

If you'd like to continue the banter of "E6300 = bad, because of clock speed" then you're defeating your own logic, in that a 3200+ is much much worse than say...a 3500+ AM2 is garbage at the moment, plain and simple. If you want to be an AMD fanboy, then go for it. Just don't toss out bullshit and expect everyone to believe it. I shudder to think of you being a tech =\

Btw, the X1300 was never "top of the line" it has always been budget, and low budget at that.

Mushroom · Nov 08, 2006, 10:24 PM // 22:24

People here keep missing one major thing: Budget.

The original poster plain and simple stated that his budget was $200. Now people keep pushing Core 2 and a lot of other things. But with a normal CPU price of $185, tell me how you are ever going to come un close to a $200 budget with Core 2? Simple: You are not.

And dual core is a super platform, if your software is coded to be dual core aware. As of this moment, only around 10% of programs (most of them higher ended professional programs like AutoCAD) can take advantage of it. So until then, running Dual Core is nowhere near as effective as a higher ended single core. I run my AutoCAD and Adobe Premiere on dual core systems, because those programs can fully use it. I run GW on my older 3500, because it runs just as fast there then it does on my X2 4200. And I have seen similar games perform better on P4 3.2 systems then on the "newer" Pentuim D.

So tell me Mr super tech, how do you build a Core 2 with motherboard with a $200 budget? And then tell me why somebody should sink $200 on a video card, with the stuff comming out at the end of the year?

And I said the E6300 was the "Celeron" (notice the quotation marks) of the Core 2 line. Compared to the rest of the line, the E6300 is anemic, hence the multiple people who buy them then overclock the stuffing out of them to get the performance the want.

If the user was talking about a $500+ budget, I would definately have directed him to one of the higher-ended Core 2 CPUs with no problem. But that is not the budget. I build in excess of 20 systems a month, with budgets from $650 to $4,000. My reccomendations are based on budget, and the use of the system. I do not reccomend FX-62 or Xeon systems for playing Sims 2, and I do not reccomend building a cheap Sempron 2800 or Celeron 2.8 with on-board video for playing Fear.

I have also been in this industry for over 30 years, and building x86 PCs since 1988. I started working with Dual CPU systems in 2001. When you have spent as much time as I have at Boeing and Hughes Aerospace, then you can tell mee I do not know what I am doing. And knock off the "Fanboy" please. Not only am I not a "boy", I have repeatedly said why I suggest one over another. So unless you can tell me how we can meet a $200 budget with Core 2, it does not matter.

combatchuck · Nov 09, 2006, 12:39 AM // 00:39

If your budget is $150 per component or less, stick with AMD. The low-end AMD stuff has amazing amounts of bang for the buck. A $150 limit on a motherboard isn't all that bad, as long as you stay away from SLI and Firewire. I'm using an Asus A8N-E, and aside from some sound driver issues (the issues mainly having to do with Realtek's abject unwillingness to hire anybody that can freaking program.) this motherboard has been rock solid. It also only cost me $91 when I got it.

Yeah, $150 per component might seem kind of restrictive when it comes to a CPU, but $150 buys a very nice hard drive, or case, or memory. If you're building a computer piece-by-piece, my suggestion is to buy the parts that are least likely to get updated first. Buy a case, because you know nobody's going to stray from the ATX/24-pin standard any time soon. The very LAST things to buy are the motherboard, CPU, and video card.

My best advice, though, is to take that money and set it aside, and make all your purchases at once. You'll save a lot on shipping, and in the end, you'll have a nicer computer.

Lurid · Nov 09, 2006, 01:38 PM // 13:38

IIRC the budget was $150 per component, E6300 + DS3 = $150 For Mobo, $180 for CPU. Slightly over-budget, for much better performance. Under a $200 budget, if that is indeed the specified budget a Sempy AM2 would indeed be the best bet.

Please, for the sake of knowledge show some benchmarks of the A64 beating a Core Duo. I'd like to see it. In reality, the CPU plays a small part of gaming performance, the GPU and data cache'd into RAM do most of the heavy lifting. However making gross over-statements about something you obviously haven't put much thought into is disgusting to say the least.

A PD vs a P4 is a irrelevant here. Yes, dual cores are best utilized when the code is optimized for them. However, the Core Duo 2 is simply better than anything AMD has to offer right now, be it at either "low end" spectrum.

A $200 budget, go AMD. If its the budget that I think it is, and the budget that i've written everything i've had in mind with, then the Core Duo 2 is the obvious choice. DX10 is going to most likely be buggy on launch, and I agree buying at the time of launch is silly for most consumers, however one could just as easily weight other options. Say for instance EVGA 7600GT, "Step-Up" within 3 months to something that suits his / her needs if the 7600GT no longer does this.

cannonfodder · Nov 09, 2006, 04:10 PM // 16:10

Ok, as this is pretty much the thread topic as the one headed motherboard & cpu, i am closing this one.

please create the same topic in new threads.

cannonfodder